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Topic: Stupidity has to stop

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Carlos

:: Falconfly
:: QA5 Having the neighbours round

Human rights are not opinions.

If people who voice racist or sexist thoughts are considered the scum of humanity, then why should we tolerate homophobia under the banner of "free speech"?

Edit: thisway, Wed 8 Aug 12, 5:50PM
Post: #673222

, Wed 8 Aug 12, 12:04PM

Laura

:: laurathegreat1
:: QA3 Getting cosy

It's just a matter of time before gay rights turns into black rights. If you look at the statistics, gay tolerance/support has increased over time, only to continue the pattern.

Post: #673232

, Wed 8 Aug 12, 1:11PM

Kyla

:: ChocolateFTWx
:: QA8 High Householder

I agree that no people should voice a hateful opinion towards any type of person, but people who don't agree with people being gay have a right to an opinion.

It's not like they're saying they think your a bad person because you're gay, they just think being gay and liking people of the same sex is wrong for whatever reason. I don't have a problem with people who think that and say it if asked as long as they aren't hateful.

eg just because someone doesn't like chocolate doesn't mean they hate everyone who does like chocolate < thats rubbish but it's all I can think of.

Okay just because someone thinks it's wrong to wear makeup doesn't mean they hate anyone who does wear makeup, they just don't like the makeup. They don't dislike the person behind it.

They're just saying they don't think it's right and they probably have their reasons to think being gay is wrong even if they aren't right. It's not like racism because there was actually no reason for that but most religion says being gay is wrong (at least people think it does and interpet it that way)

I think some of the stuff religions say is a load of crap but I don't care if people who believe in it have their say I guess xD

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Post: #673236

, Wed 8 Aug 12, 1:55PM

Tyler

:: InTheClosetFr
:: QA5 Having the neighbours round

It is still free speech. Your argument is invalid under the laws of the United States of America. They're will always be people voicing their opinions or donating to certain organizations you don't agree with. Deal with it. By the way I'm gay so it's not like I support him, it's just that he has certain rights.
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Post: #673245

, Wed 8 Aug 12, 4:18PM

Mandy

:: zerogravityx
:: QA4 A spot of tea please, Alfred!

I completely agree.

People need to remember that freedom of speech does not mean freedom from criticism/consequences.

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Post: #673247

, Wed 8 Aug 12, 4:24PM

Dominykas

:: Merovingian
:: QA8 High Householder

Disagreeing with someone, boycotting someone, protesting something is NOT taking away their freedom of speech. I can't emphasize that any more. I want to shout it and exercise my freedom of speech in the process...

But you DO have to allow them to speak freely and donate freely and protest and lobby freely because they have the right to do that. But we have the right to fight against them just as strongly..

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Edit: Merovingian, Wed 8 Aug 12, 5:55PM
Post: #673250

, Wed 8 Aug 12, 4:55PM

Its_true

:: Its_true
:: QA4 A spot of tea please, Alfred!

Free speech is free speech changing that because its discrimination is a slippery slope.

Post: #673262

, Wed 8 Aug 12, 6:11PM

Alex

:: 9thEcho
:: QA Staff (Moderator)

Human rights are not opinions, true. But the thing is, a lot of people have a lot of opinions on human rights and what constitutes human rights. As far as 'tolerating' homophobia goes, we have no right to deny someone their freedom of speech because they're saying something we don't agree with, like others have said. They have the right to say it, and we have the right to voice our objections.

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Post: #673263

, Wed 8 Aug 12, 6:22PM

Karl

:: NoWayEdward
:: QA7 Taking responsibility

A majority of the world is discriminative/racist, whether it is them being serious, just joking etc. Human Rights are a list of the things that all humans are entitled to, voicing an opinion against those rights is completely different to actually forcefully or illegally preventing someone from them. Your arguement is invalid due to the fact that it says nothing about free speech effecting the rights of our fellow humans. Your saying that someone is making an opinion in which they don't think this person deserves that right. The difference being the person's right is actually not in danger but rather in a disagreement with someone else. Which means the person is still entitled to their right. Am I confusing someone? Basically I do agree that people shouldn't be saying stuff that are really hurtful but I do NOT agree completely with your statement.

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Post: #673264

, Wed 8 Aug 12, 6:37PM

PandaBubbaXx

:: PandaBubbaXx
:: QA9 Grand Elder

Dear people that say the critiicism is completley allowed...

It's breaking human rights, If I was to shout " N****r " at a black person, or tell a woman to take her place and become a housewife, then fund groups that undermine these people, I'd be arrested.

If I call a gay person a " f*g " and set up a group that undermines them, I can do so freely.

Sound eqiuos to you or not?

However, in freedom of speech, it is allowed to voice your opinion In a way that is not insulting, undermining or offensive to the group of people you are critisising.

These groups that undermine people ( i don't mean like in government where they do so to get political majority, but like [ I forget the name ] the people in America who dressed all in white and murdered black people, or the mafia who killed for money ) shouldn't be legalised. If you have a problem with people, voice your opinion by all means, get something done by the right means, but don't undermine a group of people just because you dislike them!

And sorry if i caused any offence to anyone in what I have said.

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Post: #673285

, Wed 8 Aug 12, 8:28PM

Karl

:: NoWayEdward
:: QA7 Taking responsibility

Opinions aren't shouting stuff at people, they are what people believe is true. It doesn't matter if it's cruel, mean, happy, sad or depressing. These people almost always BELIEVE what their opinions state. A person from the WBC was taught to believe in what they do, they think it's truly right, by saying that an opinion means that people can say anything as long as its not homophobic or racist, your basically denying the people who have these beliefs the right of free speech. Yes it's stupid, yes it's upsetting, but who said fighting against these anti - LGBT groups is easy, it's hard REALLY hard, we have to be careful that we don't step over a line that's just as bad as anti - LGBT groups. Some of us(me at times) are attacking religion at times and saying it's wrong and stupid. So why can we do that and not let them strike our sexualities back? Both sides are attempting to take away the other's rights. Look i'm not going to go further into this but it's pretty obvious why they can say that.

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Edit: NoWayEdward, Wed 8 Aug 12, 8:45PM
Post: #673289

, Wed 8 Aug 12, 8:43PM

Skye

:: TealSkye
:: QA7 Taking responsibility

Well as much as they are the scum of the earth, taking away free speech disables the breathing room we have to fight the voices that matter, as they actively oppose human rights.

When you consider the numbers opposing gay rights, it's a very good thing we havn't applied the 'that's offensive, no talky for you' thing, because it would certainly back fire on us.