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:: Kholie36
:: QA7 Taking responsibility | |
This Chick-Fil-A thing has gone WAY too far. Seriously, do you know how hypocritical some people sound? This may come as a shock to some people, but here in America we have this neato thing call free speech. No, I don't agree with Dan Cathy, but he is entitled to his opinion. You're being just as bad as the people who won't give us the chance to speak our minds! I have friends who believe being gay is wrong or immoral but I respect their opinion and vice versa. And who knows what big shots at other companies believe it what organizations try might donate to? People are still racist, homophobic, transphobic, sexist, etc., and there will always be people like that. I'm transgender, I'm gay, and I believe in equality for everyone. You can have your opinions and he can have his. The real problem is that people can't be mature and respect each other.
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Post: #673142  , Wed 8 Aug 12, 12:38AM |
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Hey, Kholie, you'll be pleased to know that there's already a thread about Chick-fil-A which has close to a hundred responses.
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Edit: thisway, Wed 8 Aug 12, 6:33PM
Post: #673144 , Wed 8 Aug 12, 12:46AM |
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:: Inch
:: QA6 Livin' it up! | |
You'd be absolutely right, Kholie, if it weren't for the fact that you're completely missing the point.
The company donates arseloads of money to antigay organizations. Money received from their customers. That's what people are getting upset about.
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Post: #673149 , Wed 8 Aug 12, 1:00AM |
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:: TealSkye
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XD Okay, okay, first off, I get what your trying to say. Your right, he is entitled to his opinion...
There is a difference between having an opinion, and selling chicken... which is pretty damn sweet.
Then theres Chick-fil-A, who have an opinion, whilst selling chicken... and use the profits to actively fight against gay-marriage, and fund numerous anti-queer organizations.
Hurtz mah soul son. Not cool.
No I do not respect his opinion, or that of any who agree with him, because it's a hateful one. There is such thing as an ignorant opinion, as well as a stupid one. Do you respect Hitlers opinion? Do you respect the KKK's opinion? Please don't use 'respect' in place of 'acknowledge'. You are implying a very different concept.
I, myself, respect everyones right to have (a stupid) opinion. I do not respect someones right to act on said stupid opinion.
EDIT: In my humble opinion. 
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Edit: TealSkye, Wed 8 Aug 12, 1:15AM
Post: #673153 , Wed 8 Aug 12, 1:14AM |
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To sum up the general conclusion from the other thread, it is incontestable that Dan Cathy absolutely has the right to express his opinion and spend his company's money however he wants to. However, because of the "neato thing called free speech", LGBT people and their allies in the straight world have the same right to tell him where to stick his sandwiches if he wants to actively oppose gay rights. 24 states now ban same-sex marriage, and with the help of people like Mr. Cathy that list will grow longer.
In what way are people exercising their right to protest being "just as bad" as a person who gave $5 million to organizations that are actively working to make life hard for LGBT people? These are organizations that are not only opposed to advancing the status of LGBT people in society, they want to roll back the rights and protections we already have.
There is an unquestionable moral evil about the goals of these people, regardless of your sexuality or your opinion, and the only correct response to that is to oppose it. If you care about LGBT people in America at all, you will not support this company.
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Edit: thisway, Wed 8 Aug 12, 6:35PM
Post: #673159 , Wed 8 Aug 12, 1:29AM |
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I've come across plenty of anti-gay marriage conservatives who love to misrepresent this issue and say "he's entitled to his opinions and you're taking away his freedom of speech!" That's not the issue. The issue is that his company has donated millions to groups that oppose gay rights and sometimes do worse like support the "kill the gays" bill in Uganda or try to make homosexuality a mental illness and associate it with pedophilia. That is why people are boycotting/protesting, not because Dan Cathy spoke his opinion.
And yeah, I don't respect his opinion either and I never will. I will respect his right to have his opinion and voice it, but I will not respect the opinion itself.
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Edit: Merovingian, Wed 8 Aug 12, 3:33AM
Post: #673182 , Wed 8 Aug 12, 3:31AM |
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:: javierman
:: QA4 A spot of tea please, Alfred! | |
Damn I thought I had the last say on this issue...
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Post: #673188 , Wed 8 Aug 12, 3:47AM |
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I absolutely think that they have a right to express their beliefs. It would be unfair to not allow people to say they're against gay rights when we're allowed to express our support. Sure, feelings are going to get hurt, but that's a price we have to pay for free speech.
I think they're taking it too far by donating to anti-gay organizations though. Sure, they have a right to do that too, but by buying their food, you're indirectly donating to these companies too. If you guys want to eat at Chick-Fil-A, go ahead. I won't think any less of you. But that's not where I want my money going.
That's the difference between homophobes boycotting Oreo and gays boycotting Chick-Fil-A. By refusing to give a company money just because they have a different belief than you, you're just being a dick. Whether or not you buy Oreos isn't going to affect the existence of gay pride. But if less people eat at Chick-Fil-A, less money will be going to these homophobic organizations. I'm not boycotting them because of their beliefs, I'm boycotting them because I don't want to fund a company that's working against everything I believe in....and also I'm a vegetarian...and also we don't have Chick-Fil-A here, so maybe this whole thing is redundant anyway...
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Post: #673198 , Wed 8 Aug 12, 5:53AM |
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Out of curiosity, what are the anti-gay organizations Chick-fil-A is funding, besides Family Research Council? If you ask me, boycotting Chick-fil-A is rather indirect to helping LGBT rights. It would be more productive in turning that anger into politics and directly to whatever anti-gay organizations Chick-fil-A is funding.
Just food for thought 
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Edit: laurathegreat1, Wed 8 Aug 12, 1:08PM
Post: #673231 , Wed 8 Aug 12, 1:08PM |
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I, as an open member of the LGBT community, support the statement made by Kholie.
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Post: #673238 , Wed 8 Aug 12, 2:30PM |
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Chick-fil-A has donated to the Family Research Council, Exodus International (an ex-gay group that supported the controversial anti-homosexuality bill in Uganda), and Focus on the Family, a group that consistently lobbies against gay rights and has at times maintained that homosexuality is a mental illness.
How can you respect the opinion of someone who opposes your rights? I don't understand it. It doesn't mean you have to be out there screaming at everyone who opposes gay marriage, but it doesn't make sense to me to respect that viewpoint.
I find it very funny and very ironic that anti-gay people are always stressing that they "tolerate" gays but don't agree with them or accept them. Guess what? They have every right to do that. But for some reason when we do the same thing, if we tolerate but don't accept homophobia, we're "taking away their freedom of speech." I love hypocrisy and double standards. They make the world go 'round.
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Edit: Merovingian, Wed 8 Aug 12, 4:57PM
Post: #673249 , Wed 8 Aug 12, 4:53PM |
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:: Kholie36
:: QA7 Taking responsibility | |
Well maybe we should accept that there is homophobia and always will be, and instead of attackIng others based on their personal beliefs, we should give our own opinions, and not tell people theirs is wrong.
"That's the best revenge of all: happiness. Nothing drives people crazier than seeing someone have a good fucking life"-Chuck Palahniuk
"A lot of people are afraid of heights. Not me, Im afraid of widths."-Steven Wright
"One and one is two, and two and two is four, and five will get you ten if you know how to work it."-Mae West
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Post: #673256 , Wed 8 Aug 12, 5:38PM |
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I don't really think most people are attacking. And I also think that people who have to live with homophobia on a daily basis, have been bullied because of it, been kicked out of their house because of it, etc. aren't really so keen about being "loving and accepting" towards homophobic opinions. You can respect the person, but you don't have to respect the opinion. Some of us are really tired of homophobia and we don't have to put up with it.
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Post: #673258 , Wed 8 Aug 12, 5:43PM |
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:: Kholie36
:: QA7 Taking responsibility | |
I am too! I get bullied all the time! Instead of resenting it I hAve learned not to take it personally, unlike other people. Instead of bashing people for theirs I give my own. Just acknowledge that some people think differently. I never said protesting was bad, I just said not to tell people to recant what they say, but to say your own thoughts.
"That's the best revenge of all: happiness. Nothing drives people crazier than seeing someone have a good fucking life"-Chuck Palahniuk
"A lot of people are afraid of heights. Not me, Im afraid of widths."-Steven Wright
"One and one is two, and two and two is four, and five will get you ten if you know how to work it."-Mae West
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Post: #673275 , Wed 8 Aug 12, 7:23PM |
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Well maybe we should accept that there is homophobia and always will be, and instead of attackIng others based on their personal beliefs, we should give our own opinions, and not tell people theirs is wrong.
We should not accept that there is homophobia and always will be. We should fight against it in every single place it crops up in the public sphere. That means taking a stand against companies that help to fund anti-gay laws, and that means speaking out against institutionalized homophobia. That is YOUR free-speech right as a citizen, and choosing not to exercise it because you think it's bad to "attack" someone for having bigoted beliefs is un-American.
And nobody is attacking Mr. Cathy's "personal beliefs" anyway. Not that I know of, and if they are, they should stop. What's under fire here is Mr. Cathy's decision to give his company's money to organizations which exist solely for the purpose of making life harder for LGBT Americans. That is wrong! There is nothing good or right or moral about doing what he is doing. He deserves nothing but stern and unequivocal criticism for doing it.
And whence comes this notion that we can't tell people their beliefs are wrong? Holding a certain concept to be true and calling it a "belief" doesn't make it immune from criticism. When you have beliefs that contribute directly to the oppression of a class of people, then yeah, it's okay to say that's wrong. Because it is wrong!
our home which defines
us is elsewhere but not
so far away we have
forgotten it:
this is just a place.
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Edit: Joe5150, Wed 8 Aug 12, 8:46PM
Post: #673290 , Wed 8 Aug 12, 8:45PM |
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:: TealSkye
:: QA7 Taking responsibility | |
"Maybe we should accept that there is homophobia, and allways will be"
Accepting homophobia exist, and that they have a right to be, is vastly irrelevant to respecting the opinion itself. I do not respect this opinion, as it is a hateful opinion. Do we respect the opinion of sociopaths wishing to burn infants as well? Especially as they do so?
"Instead of resenting it I hAve learned not to take it personally, unlike other people. Instead of bashing people for theirs I give my own."
1. Not taking it personally, would make sense if it was an opinion, without any power. Alas, I'm not sure how you can't take it personally when over 1.9 million went to Anti-gay foundations in 2010 alone.
2. Just stating our opinion in the grand scheme of things, means nothing, especially when Chick-fil-A isn't just 'stating their opinion'. They're bashing homosexuality, whilst paying for the detriment of it.
Your not acknowledging that no ones arguing his ability to have an opinion, or telling him to shut up. We're protesting the millions he has put into anti-gay organizations over the span of Chick-fil-A time span.
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Post: #673298 , Wed 8 Aug 12, 9:07PM |
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While I agree Kholie has missed the point completely, there are elements of what he says that reign true.
First off, I'm going to dismiss "free speech" right here and now, because while it may be a right in America,it's not the case everywhere, and so you shouldn't use it to defend a viewpoint on a worldwide problem.
Yes, there is a difference between respecting being allowed to have an opinion, and respecting THE opinion. However, I always live by the philosophy "If you don't shove your beliefs down my throat, I won't shove mine down yours." In other words, as long as you aren't hateful towards me, I won't be towards you. There's a HUGE difference between the opinion "All gays should burn in Hell" and "I tolerate gay people, even if I'm a bit uncomfortable".
The problem is people seem to be too quick to call homophobia these days. If someone said that second opinion to me, I'd say "Well, okay, I'll respect that as long as you don't belittle me for it.". You can fight for something you believe in (gay rights, or whatever) without making a personal attack ("Your argument is irrelevant because you believe in a God that isn't real").
Anyway, that's a lot of pointless waffle that was kind of off-topic in retrospect. If anyone wants me to elaborate or whatever, I'll be happy to by PM.
On to the actual topic:
Since Chick-fil-A are intertwining the boss' personal opinion with their professional stance, yes, we should boycott them. We should boycott them even if wasn't homosexuality they were contesting - if the owner disliked asparagus for whatever reason, and was donating to anti-asparagus companies with Chick-fil-A's money, we shouldn't leave it just to the asparagus lovers to fight back. We should ALL fight back because of the unprofessional stance that's been taken.
I've probably been ninja'd multiple times over by the time it takes me to finish this but OH WELL 
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Post: #673306 , Wed 8 Aug 12, 9:25PM |
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:: TealSkye
:: QA7 Taking responsibility | |
@ Sean
There's a HUGE difference between the opinion "All gays should burn in Hell" and "I tolerate gay people, even if I'm a bit uncomfortable".
Yes, there is a difference, but not much of one. One just sounds less spiteful, but the word 'tolerate' in itself still denotes something of distaste. But Cool, inevitably they are being somewhat civil to me, I will tolerate their discomfort, and move on, because it has no baring in my happiness. Live long and prosper. These people are not who anyones boycotting.
I believe donating to detriment homosexual lives is a relatively good equivocation to forcing it down our throats.
In any case, I respect, and agree, with your stance about fighting without intentionally humiliating the opposing side. It never works.
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Post: #673313 , Wed 8 Aug 12, 9:58PM |
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Skye:
there really isn't much of a difference. I was on my way to get a burrito. Someone stopped me on the way to tell me that if I am gay, I am going to burn in hell. You know what happened? Nothing, except for the fact that I got my burrito. I really don't care what people say. As the target of both verbal and physical attacks for my whole life, I still contend that words are really just words.
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Post: #673344 , Thu 9 Aug 12, 12:10AM |
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:: TealSkye
:: QA7 Taking responsibility | |
@ Paul
Pretty much. Opinions on there own are amusing at the least, and disappointing at the most. I'd be a very sad queer if I put any importance on the purgatory of another person, about myself. I don't have room to internalize naked homophobia. This does nothing for my self-betterment, nor general life progression.
Put some money where your mouth is though? Houston...
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Post: #673354 , Thu 9 Aug 12, 1:44AM |
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