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Topic: Lesson learned for Chick-fil-A
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:: javierman
:: QA4 A spot of tea please, Alfred! | |
Ok since the news has been pretty slow because of the boring, as usual, olympics I have to write about a topic that keeps getting talked about is the chick fil a shenanigan.
I stumbled upon a column on the LA Times that states something rather obvious: No one should begrudge Dan Cathy his right to describe his personal views on gay marriage. But he crossed a line when he injected himself and his company into politics.
Here's the link:
http://www.latimes.com/busines...,1556559.column
Let's make something clear: do not ever state an opinion that can only be defended by the ever-so-outdated bible. The bible is not a source for evidence and it's ridiculous how in 2012 people still use it. The bible is just a book about fables on vices and virtues. Don't use it to attack a person's character.
Secondly, I'd like to point out that the only reason gay marriage is a HUGE issue, when it shouldn't, is because it is our right to marry whomever we want and we aren't given that right because some religious people feel the need to impose their beliefs on us. Um, do they know not everyone isn't a christian?
As for the business aspect, it is your right to speak your opinion, but the downside is that you may receive oveerwhelming support or fierce opposition, depends on what you believe.
Someone commented:
Okay, I cannot sit silently and watch some elderly gentleman who has provided jobs and opportunities for ALL walks of life for many years without discrimination get lambasted and burned at the stake buy the gay community and the "tolerant liberals". Mr. Cathy of Chik fil a (sp) was asked his personal belief about marriage and he answered that he supported traditional marriage. What gives these people the right to hate, call names and attempt to ruin someone's business because he believes differently. Just because he believes that marriage is a sacred vowel between a man and a woman does not make him a HATER or a BIGOT! These people that have jumped on this liberal band wagon of hate are being the type of person they claim to hate. Go figure. If you want someone to respect your opinion and beliefs, at least you could act respectful towards theirs. There.... i feel better.
Ok so I'm going to address the part that reads "Just because he believes that marriage is a sacred vowel between a man and a woman does not make him a HATER or a BIGOT!" Well, what does it make him? An elderly, intelligent, gentleman? The only sacred vowel is "y" because it's only used sometimes.
"If you want someone to respect your opinion and beliefs, at least you could act respectful towards theirs." I can say the same thing to anti gay marriage people.
There I slightly feel better.
I have a question. What is the homosexual agenda?
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Post: #671560  , Wed 1 Aug 12, 4:09AM |
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:: TealSkye
:: QA7 Taking responsibility | |
1. Live Happy Life
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Post: #671576 , Wed 1 Aug 12, 4:35AM |
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Completely agree with you on most of the article, just going to say, that the bible does not clearly state disapproval of homosexuals, and that "opinion" only comes from certain Christians (I call them extremists). Not trying to be an ass, but stereotyping Christians is just like stereotyping race or orientation.
Still, completely agree with you about this guy! Crazy story, right?
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Post: #671582 , Wed 1 Aug 12, 4:49AM |
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:: Lia47
:: QA9 Grand Elder | |
Actually, I believe "W" would be a more sacred vowel, as it is only used in two words: "cwm" and "cwr". 
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Post: #671587 , Wed 1 Aug 12, 5:13AM |
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Having beliefs is okay. Forcing them on people is not. And what ever happened to the separation of church and state? Why is the government so concerned with religious tolerance? I think it'd make us stronger as a country to support morality and the freedom of choice than to constantly argue back and forth over whose God is real, when in the grand scheme of things, most religions are based on the exact same thing with slightly different interpretations.
I think saying that Chick-fil-a should be shut down is just as ridiculous as Chick-fil-a funding homophobic corporations and legislative movements. Just as America is supposed to have a separation of church and state, we're also supposed to have free enterprise. Boycotting is something I'll stick to, but I don't think people should be shot down for their beliefs any more than I think beliefs should be forced onto people.
"You're like the Narnia lion of pickle land." ~ Saied <3
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Post: #671602 , Wed 1 Aug 12, 6:29AM |
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It's one thing for the owner of a multi-million dollar company to have an opinion, but then making his company back his own personal belief is wrong.
That being said, the civil rights thing is kind of a contradictory movement; or at least, the bandwagoners make it seem so. Lots and lots of people are so hypocritical when if comes to the beliefs or opinions of others. Think about it: how many people do you know believe in some sort of god or higher power, but chastise and ridicule people who think aliens exist? It's that kind of contradictory, hypocritical point of view that makes the whole thing seem ridiculous.
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Post: #671617 , Wed 1 Aug 12, 8:54AM |
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Wait, I was under the impression that Chick-fil-A had come out with some campaign advocating anti-LGBT behaviour? I knew he said it in an interview, but if that's literally everything, then I think the gay community are overreacting by a HUGE mark, and I'm a little ashamed.
If someone could fill me in fully, that'd be great, because I'm still a little clueless about it all xD If it literally is just him having stated he thinks marriage should just be between a man and a woman, then that's not hateful at all. We can't force everyone to like every aspect of homosexuality - as long as he's not being hateful towards us, we should respect his view.
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Post: #671635 , Wed 1 Aug 12, 12:03PM |
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:: Falconfly
:: QA5 Having the neighbours round | |
Tolerance of intolerance is going against what we fought for.
If you honestly consider treating that old sociopathic fart with respect, you might as well wear a tutu and a sign saying "STONE ME PLZ!"
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Edit: Falconfly, Wed 1 Aug 12, 1:18PM
Post: #671644 , Wed 1 Aug 12, 1:17PM |
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@Sean: If this were merely about comments that Dan Cathy said opposing gay marriage, you're right, it would be ridiculously blown out of proportion. Lucky for the queer community, this isn't just about his comments. For years it's been known that Chick-Fil-A financially supports organizations around the country that oppose LGBT rights. That is what set off initial boycotts of Chick-Fil-A. The fact that they are putting millions of dollars toward organizations that actively oppose LGBT peoples' rights and even some groups that claim to "cure" homosexuals (breakdown here: http://equalitymatters.org/factcheck/201207020001)
is what has caused this media outrage.
My republican relatives are trying to frame it as a free speech issue, but it's just simply not. What'shisface can say as many hateful things as he wants - that's not really going to affect any of us day to day, not to mention it's protected in the constitution. But what he can't do is use Chick-Fil-A money to donate to hateful causes and expect supporters of LGBT rights to still eat at his restaurants.
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Edit: LoveisLove, Wed 1 Aug 12, 4:02PM
Post: #671655 , Wed 1 Aug 12, 4:01PM |
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:: Gaykidd
:: QA5 Having the neighbours round | |
I actually respect Mr. Cathy for what he has done. Even when he knows that it would probably be the unpopular decision among the general public. (-christians), he states his beliefs and stands firm on them. Even if it isnt what you and i believe, i find it refreshing that a man would rely and have such a faith in what he believes that he would make the unpopular decision to remain strong in his faith. He wasnt saying he hates Gays or they all go to Hell or whatever... He was asked a question and answered it. According to his beliefs. Now, when it gets to the point that LGBT communtities everywhere boycott a resturaunt because he believes what he does, i think its getting a bit ridiculous. If christians boycotted a LGBT resturaunt or a Muslim resturaunt or anything of the sort, it would be regarded as hate. I honestly think boycotting Chicfila should be seen as hate too... He wasnt forcing his beliefs on anyone. He wasnt damning anyone to hell. He just answered a question about his faith.
Thats why i will be eating at chicfila today for lunch. 
Peace and Blessings,
m
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Post: #671660 , Wed 1 Aug 12, 5:24PM |
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Matthew, you need to read some of the other arguments for why boycotting Chik-fil-A is justified. This is emphatically NOT about Dan Cathy's statement. It's about the millions and millions of dollars that Chick-fil-A has spent lining the pockets of anti-gay organizations. I'm not going to rehash the same debate here, just take the initiative to read.
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Edit: Joe5150, Wed 1 Aug 12, 6:12PM
Post: #671663 , Wed 1 Aug 12, 5:40PM |
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Unfortunately, a lot of people just read the headlines and don't know the real story. "Cathy persecuted for stating beliefs" is what the conservatives think this story is all about, when that's not what it is at all. I'm sure some people are boycotting just because of his personal statements; they have a right to do that, but that's not the best reason for boycotting, in my mind. Other people, like me, are boycotting because Chick-fil-A has donated money to organizations like Focus on the Family and the Family Research Council which, in addition to fighting against gay marriage, they also support rehab for homosexuals, ex-gay camps, labeling of homosexuality as a mental illness, and in some cases the more extreme members of the group support criminalization of homosexuality. So if you think that I'm going to put my money towards those groups, you're insane!
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Post: #671665 , Wed 1 Aug 12, 5:55PM |
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:: ToriMagic
:: QA4 A spot of tea please, Alfred! | |
The only sacred vowel is 6"y" hhaa
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Post: #671667 , Wed 1 Aug 12, 5:58PM |
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I'd just like to say that everything said in the original post, is a brilliant way to look at religion. I dont hate on religion. Im not religious, but I understand religion. But the bible is, as you say, based on story, and the best part of what you said: It shouldn't be used to attack someone's character. Very nicely put. All chick-fil-a shit aside  I dont even know the whole story, so I cant comment ;)
I don't think you're ready for this jelly, I don't think you're ready for THIS jelly, I don't think you're ready for this! My body's too bootilicious for you babe ;)
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Post: #671673 , Wed 1 Aug 12, 6:14PM |
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@Kai - Ah, I see. That makes much more sense. Well, I don't think we even have Chick-fil-A in the UK, so count me in for the boycott automatically, I guess xD
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Post: #671677 , Wed 1 Aug 12, 6:40PM |
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I agree with Mathew and also I am a christian so for me the bible isn't a book of story's it's very real for me.
But with that said I would like to be able to eat lunch without making a political statement.......
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Edit: Charmain92, Wed 1 Aug 12, 7:45PM
Post: #671685 , Wed 1 Aug 12, 7:41PM |
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I completely agree that no one should ever state an opinion that they claim is "defended" by the Bible. It's not supposed to be used to judge anyone, so I hate that some hardcore Christians use it that way. It not only shows how hypocritical they are since they preach that they should love everyone, but it also makes people of other religions believe that all Christians are like that when they aren't.
I also completely agree that gay marriage is a bigger issue than it should because of the religious beliefs of hardcore Christians. They shouldn't be trying so hard to push all their religious beliefs on others when they know that not everyone is Christian. Also, their personal religious beliefs should not affect the legalization of gay marriage in areas where there is a separation of Church and State; the only thing that should affect it is the area's particular laws.
Whoever wrote that comment obviously didn't do any research into the issue before they posted because if they had, they would have known that the LGBTQA+ community and its allies aren't boycotting Chick-fil-a because of Dan Cathy's personal religious beliefs and opinion on gay marriage but because of his decision to donate most of the money that his business makes to organizations that promote anti-LGBT rights and reparative therapy, which we cannot support. Honestly, these ignorant people need to do some actual research on the issue before they post something that shows just how ignorant they are about the issue.
My idea of a dream world is one where no one is judged because of who they are. I hope that someday I can see that world come about <3
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Post: #671686 , Wed 1 Aug 12, 7:48PM |
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@Lauren People would rather have knee-jerk reactions than actually look into what's being done. You don't know how many times I've had people respond to the boycott with "let him have his free speech!" Okay, first of all, boycotting something is not denying you free speech. Second of all, free speech does not mean that you will have no consequences for what you say, it just means that you won't be jailed by the government for it.
And speaking of knee-jerk, I wonder if Cathy himself realizes that the groups he's donated to support reparative therapy and labeling homosexuality as a mental illness. I wonder if he just thinks he's "supporting the family." It's too bad that in this day and age and this country, "family" is synonymous with "anti-gay."
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Post: #671687 , Wed 1 Aug 12, 7:52PM |
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Unfortunately, I already know that all too well from many of the comments I've read on the many different posts about this issue. However, that doesn't mean I like or put up with those people any more; if anything, I hate how their vast number is only bringing more ignorance into the world. Yeah, I also especially hate that their ignorance is so great that they believe that the LGBTQA+ community and its allies are boycotting Chick-fil-a just because we don't share Dan Cathy's opinion on gay marriage.
You make a very good point there, but I would think that, being the successful business owner that he is, Cathy would really look into the organizations that he donated to before he gave them so much money. However, that's just my way of thinking and looking at the issue. I also agree that it's very sad how, in today's world, many people believe that the term "family" is the same as the term "anti-gay".
My idea of a dream world is one where no one is judged because of who they are. I hope that someday I can see that world come about <3
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Post: #671690 , Wed 1 Aug 12, 8:11PM |
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@ Lauren:
YES! I hate how people call being anti gay marriage "supporting traditional family values." They're not supporting SHIT. They're excluding some people because of a belief they have. I thought this country was not a theocracy. At least that's what the Constitution tells me...
"Two roads diverged in a wood, and I... I took the one less traveled by. And that has made all the difference."
http://www.soulforce.org/resou...-homosexuality/
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Post: #671793 , Thu 2 Aug 12, 3:43AM |
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