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:: weeirdwith2es
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Sorry if this has been done before, but, isn't it annoying when one LGBT group hates another? 0_0

I've noticed that a few lesbians I've met seem to dislike gay men ("hate" is a strong word). One explanation is that they're radical feminists, so they hate men to begin with. But then why would they dislike men who don't abuse or even go after women? Isn't that less of a problem for them? Apparently not, since they like men and liking men is icky to them or whatever. Also it could be how the flambouyant gay men tend to invade a woman's personal space sometimes, which I admit is probably annoying.

As for the opposite, I've met some gay men who disliked lesbians for whatever reason as well, this usually went on stereotypes and stuff though.

Any experiences about one LGBT group hating another?
  Post: #665005 Link to this post, Wed 11 Jul 12, 6:40PM
:: Autumn1492
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For awhile I thought I didn't get along with gay men lol. (I don't much care for men period except for a select few; I just don't like socializing with men.) but I only know like one gay guy in person and he loves me so that proves I get along with them just fine Emoticon: Tongue :p It probably does stem from radical feminism. I complain about men with some of my lez friends but it's mostly us wanting to be extra lezzy XD
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  Post: #665007 Link to this post, Wed 11 Jul 12, 6:43PM
:: 9thEcho
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Well, I'm pretty sure everyone has noticed the hate bi people get... Seen it a few times myself, and it never ended well for anyone.

That aside, I can't say I've heard or the lesbians/gay men thing before. In all likely hood there will be a group of radical feminist lesbians out there that hate all men, including gay men, but I reckon they'd be a minority.

As for the personal space issue, I'll dislike anyone who insists on continually getting into my personal space when I'd rather they didn't, gay man or not.

Some people are always going to find reasons to dislike others, it's just the way it goes.
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  Post: #665010 Link to this post, Wed 11 Jul 12, 6:47PM
:: TealSkye
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Good topic suggestion. Emoticon: Smile :)

I work at a place as somewhat of a hostess. In general I get very nasty reactions from some of the more flamboyant gays. The other females don't get off much better.

I'm of the mind that it has less to do with a dislike for the sexualities, and more to do with an odd dislike for the entire gender, and, subsequently, those who happen to be queer within it.

Haters gon hate. ;P
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  Post: #665011 Link to this post, Wed 11 Jul 12, 6:49PM
:: Puff
:: QA5 Having the neighbours round
Well I consider myself fully gay but I've said this many times but I seem to much prefer the company of women rather than guys in general Emoticon: Confused :s Two of my best girlfriends are lesbians and I know a few more Emoticon: Confused :s Although all the girls I know, lesbians or not end up being my faghags Emoticon: Tongue :p

I have have always got on with all the lesbians or bi girls I meet in person Emoticon: Smile :)
  Post: #665024 Link to this post, Wed 11 Jul 12, 7:11PM
:: Haldo
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I've honestly never noticed this o.o I get along with gay men just fine...

I think the closest thing I've seen to this would be absurd spats over "Gay guys suffer more than lesbians!" "No, lesbians suffer more than gay guys!" and so forth, which is ridiculous...
  Post: #665027 Link to this post, Wed 11 Jul 12, 7:25PM
:: Moonstone
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The only thing I can really say is..I hate everyone equally.


Yeah,there is a lot of hate in our community, much prejudice towards trans and bi people.
  Post: #665044 Link to this post, Wed 11 Jul 12, 8:41PM
:: weeirdwith2es
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@Rosie yes I hate everyone equally too. XD Which is a lot.

Also, I just remembered a couple of bi girls I knew who always said bad things about gay men and seemed to hate them and made fun of them. -_- Meanwhile, the lesbians I knew seemed to dislike these bi girls because they seemed like "wannabes" and "fakers". It's a whole shitstorm cycle. Go figure.

Me personally, as I said I hate everyone. Girls in general have not treated me kindly. Of course I have a few awesome female friends though! But girls in school and stuff tended to pity me and were bitchy towards guys like me. I didn't get along with them. Lesbians seemed to dislike me as well. I wouldn't go and hate a whole group just because a few of them didn't like me, though, that's wrong.

And I've also said before I love bisexuals. Emoticon: Smile :) I think gays/lesbians may seem to hate them because they're jealous that someone can be attracted to both and they can't be. I admit I'm a bit jealous and wish I was bi, but I don't turn that into hate.

As for transphobia, yeah I can't stand that either. I really hate the feminists who say that transwomen aren't "real women", or even just ciswomen who say shit like that. Gender is a state of mind, nothing more, it's not about being born with certain parts.
  Post: #665052 Link to this post, Wed 11 Jul 12, 8:59PM
:: ThePhoenix
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I don't hate lesbians, I just can't understand them. Just like I don't understand straight guys Emoticon: Tongue :p

But seriously, I wouldn't hate anyone for their sexual orientation. The only ones I dislike are the ones who claim to be bisexual just for the attention. That's just degrading.
  Post: #665055 Link to this post, Wed 11 Jul 12, 9:03PM
:: TealSkye
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@ Weeird

Y'know... now reading your post, I have to agree. In my public school days, the Bisexuals were very adamant in their dislike to homo's. It was comical to them being attracted to just one gender. Emoticon: Roll Eyes 8-)

It led me to agree in part, to the low opinion amongst my lesbian friends; That they were 'wannabes'.

I don't generally feel so skeptical toward the authenticity of their 'Bisexuality' online though. Well and truly, they won't normally publicly post it online where their parents can see. Short of it being a dummy account, just for their cute, and temporary little cliques. XD

Where I live, alot of self-acclaimed bisexuals say it ignorantly, and dishonestly. I also believe it's usually the girls who do this. The very girls who cackle at one half more teaspoon of queer.

The guys think it's hot apparently.

Most genuinely Bisexual people do not do this I believe.
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  Post: #665056 Link to this post, Wed 11 Jul 12, 9:19PM
:: weeirdwith2es
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^Oh yeah, you made me remember yet another group of people!

The bisexuals and pansexuals who dislike homosexuals and heterosexuals. This has only been a few people, who usually identified as pan. They claimed that being sexually attracted to only one gender (despite not having control over that) is "selfish", and, if we were really nice people, we'd love anyone for their personality, not their gender. Basically, they said that everyone should be pansexual.

The funny thing is, a lot of panesexuals I've met seemed to tell me in secret that they preferred the same gender, but identified as pan anyway. So basically, they're gay/lesbian but say they're pan. -_- I hate liars like that.

And I can't even begin to imagine what everybody has to say about asexuals, but I'm sure it isn't great. (By the way, are there any asexuals on here?)
  Post: #665068 Link to this post, Wed 11 Jul 12, 10:19PM
:: Lynn
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I greatly dislike nearly all people, not necessarily equally because some people deserve condemnation more than others may. I know very few gay men personally and the few I do I tend to be close friends with. I tend to find other lesbians much more annoying and stereotypical in most instances.
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  Post: #665073 Link to this post, Wed 11 Jul 12, 10:31PM
:: TealSkye
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@ Weird

Lol, I've heard of the Panners who lie about their true preferences. That bothers me a tad too. I condone having a sexual preference; I have a favorite type of cake too, when it comes down to dessert though, I eat them all. This particular strain of silliness implies that homosexuality is less than favorable, or perhaps that pansexuality just has a cooler name.

Haters gon hate.

I did not ,however, know there were some who viewed other less varied sexualities as selfish. That idea slays me. Especially sense I've recently been called Greedy for my...sexual diversity.

Up there with the cackling Bi's at my old school.

Haters gon hate.
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  Post: #665080 Link to this post, Wed 11 Jul 12, 11:33PM
:: Charmain92
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This is all news to me Emoticon: Shock/Disappointed :|
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Post: #665097 Link to this post, Thu 12 Jul 12, 12:05AM
:: Haldo
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I haven't heard of lesbians hating gay men and visa versa, really, but I have heard of some bisexuals hating on monosexuals and visa versa.
  Post: #665099 Link to this post, Thu 12 Jul 12, 12:23AM
:: indielibra
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I never experienced this.
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  Post: #665111 Link to this post, Thu 12 Jul 12, 1:13AM
:: Merovingian
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Maybe the gay/bisexual animosity has something do with the fact that bisexuals are made to look bad by gay people using bisexuality as a "stepping stone" and then coming out as gay, furthering the idea that they were "fake bisexuals" and thus making people skeptical of bisexuality in the first place. My friend told my bisexual friend "Yeah, Dominykas doesn't believe in bisexuality" and I was like "when the hell did I ever say that?!"

It could also be because monosexuals tell bisexuals that bisexuality doesn't exist and bisexuals tell monosexuals that "everyone is bisexual" and all this stupid absolute statement garbage. Why do we always have to try and talk for everyone else?

Either way, I came out after high school, so I probably avoided a lot of the drama associated with being open in my younger years.
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  Post: #665114 Link to this post, Thu 12 Jul 12, 1:20AM
:: weeirdwith2es
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@Skye I've met a lot of gay men who claimed to be bi or pan. When I asked if they ever dated girls or want to, they say no because they have a "strong male preference". Being a gay man is apparently seen as like the most uncool thing in the world, but these men don't realize that they're making real bisexuals and pansexuals look like liars. That's why I say I'm straight: they're a majority that doesn't get harassed, so I don't care if I make the heterosexuals look like liars. xD Plenty of people have lied about being straight in the past, they will continue to, it doesn't make anyone view straight people as liars.

@Dominykas I agree 100%

Also, didn't know "monosexuals" was a word. Interesting.
  Post: #665118 Link to this post, Thu 12 Jul 12, 1:49AM
:: BullyBoyV2
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Not a whole lot I guess, but one of my friends who is a lesbian isn't really support of anyone who is trans. She says that since they weren't born that way, its different from being gay or bi. I can understand what she's saying but i dont agree with her.

Now if you asked if I heard of a straight person not being supportive of LGBT people, THEN i have a few stories Emoticon: Tongue :p
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  Post: #665124 Link to this post, Thu 12 Jul 12, 2:10AM
:: Haldo
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Yeah, claiming that either bisexuality does not exist or claiming monosexuality does not exist are equally bullshit ideas, IMO.
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