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Topic: What is your belief?
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I know that in society this is a real sensitive topic but I think it is an interesting subject to talk about and share your own beliefs.
What do you all think about the existence of Heaven and Hell?
Do you believe that there is such a thing?
Or do you believe that it is something which people like to believe in so they have a source of hope to hold onto?
Share whatever you like about this topic 
The First, Last and Only thing I will ever say...Never give up hope, Always believe and Hold onto your dreams...♥
The Never-Ending Maze of Surprises...
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Post: #631021  , Tue 27 Mar 12, 7:14PM |
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I'm a Mythologist, Anciet Greek ftw ;)
so Tartarus is Hell, Elysian feilds/isle of the blessed is heaven
then there is the asphodal feilds for the normal guys like me :L
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Post: #631023 , Tue 27 Mar 12, 7:16PM |
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I believe in a greater power and I think I believe in a heaven...well I would like to believe in a heaven. But I don't believe in hell.
So much of who we are is made up of our biology that I often question whether or not people are truly *evil* or just cruel as a result of circumstance and biology. Even serial killers can be explained by brains which function differently. And I can't see why people should have to suffer an eternity in hell for what they do on Earth (although I still hate what so many people do).
But then, I can't see how someone like Hitler could really deserve the same heaven as a truly good person.
So I suppose I believe in a sentient afterlife somewhere in the universe where the essence of ourselves is retained. I hope that's true. And I hope we become better people in our afterlife, and retain wisdom gained on Earth, but can see more clearly in the afterlife (like see that every one is equal, can see how we make others feel).
La clarté étrange de ton sourire illumine mon été.
I wish I were a glow worm, a glow worm's never glum. 'Cause how can you be grumpy when the sun shines out your bum?
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Post: #631030 , Tue 27 Mar 12, 7:22PM |
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:: Prakaash
:: QA4 A spot of tea please, Alfred! | |
I believe in Heaven only because I feel that after a person dies his soul goes to the loving arms of god
and Moreover No one on this earth is a badperson
and no one commits sins wantonly
"Hate the sin not the sinner"
So why would god need Hell to punish a sinner
Why are people more happy to see two men holding guns against each other than when they are holding hands togethor ??
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Post: #631033 , Tue 27 Mar 12, 7:27PM |
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:: Dood
:: QA6 Livin' it up! | |
I believe that there is a Heaven and Hell after we die though it's partly due to the fact that I'm afraid of there just being plain nothingness after we die. I mean if you were to really picture it, being surrounded by pitch black, your mind basically dead and that's all you'd ever see/be after you die then I'd imagine you'd be pretty freaked out too. I dunno but believing in God and Heaven and Hell just gives me hope that one day, when I pass on, I'll be back again with the ones I love in a beautiful, peaceful place were no violence exists whatsoever. Of course that'd be assuming that I'd go to Heaven but who knows. I guess there really is no way of knowing what comes after death, maybe we are reborn as something new, maybe we just die, maybe we go to Heaven or Hell, I mean who honestly knows. It's all one big mystery but we all find out sooner or later. I'm just hoping it's later for me rather than sooner. Lol xD
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Post: #631036 , Tue 27 Mar 12, 7:28PM |
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I'm Christian and I generally agree with the majority of the teachings, but I believe that we are a mix of creation and evolution. Most certainly that applies to Heaven and Hell, but I've always enjoyed the belief that no matter what my faith will save me and God would look after those I care about.
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Post: #631039 , Tue 27 Mar 12, 7:32PM |
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They are all actually really interesting beliefs! x) and I like the fact that "I don't believe in hell but I do with Heaven" was mentioned because that is such a beautiful thing to say.
Personally, I think it is awful to think that "certain" people are 'bad' and shouldn't be happy in the afterlife. So what I'm saying is that yes I do believe in a Heaven but very similar to Logan, which is almost identical to what I would have said, I would continue in thinking that it would be too depressing for me to think that this is it, once you're gone, you're gone.
That is really sad really :/
But thank you for sharing, I find it really interesting to learn what other people think about this.
Ok, so if you were given the chance to find out whether or not heaven, or hell or anything else which relates to an afterlife, is actually real would you take it? So what I mean is, if you could have a definitive yes or no answer and proof...would you want it or would you want to wait until it was the 'right time'?
The First, Last and Only thing I will ever say...Never give up hope, Always believe and Hold onto your dreams...♥
The Never-Ending Maze of Surprises...
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Post: #631040 , Tue 27 Mar 12, 7:34PM |
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what would happen if it was a definitative no? live your life in fear of the pure nothingness that awiats you?
we don't know for a reason 
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Post: #631042 , Tue 27 Mar 12, 7:38PM |
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True... But some people I know in my school say that they would rather know what is going to happen to them so they can kinda do everything they want to now if you see what I mean??
The First, Last and Only thing I will ever say...Never give up hope, Always believe and Hold onto your dreams...♥
The Never-Ending Maze of Surprises...
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Post: #631044 , Tue 27 Mar 12, 7:40PM |
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I don't believe you could get a definitive answer aside from what is already out there - the Bible - without meeting your end and arriving to see ol' St. Peter.
Not really an answer I know ;)
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Post: #631045 , Tue 27 Mar 12, 7:40PM |
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haha no, there's not really an answer to any of this I was just seeing if anyone would want to know if they could...but im gathering that it is a waiting game, as though it was chess
The First, Last and Only thing I will ever say...Never give up hope, Always believe and Hold onto your dreams...♥
The Never-Ending Maze of Surprises...
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Post: #631046 , Tue 27 Mar 12, 7:42PM |
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:: Astronaut
:: QA5 Having the neighbours round | |
I believe in people.
No matter how bad this world can appear, I still have faith in people.
Today I saw my religion teacher give a lot of money to a beggar. After that I saw this poor man with a chocolate bar in his hands. And before that, on the train there was a drunk man and while everyone was scared of him, and pushed him away, my teacher talked to him, asked him about his life. He's always so incredibly kind to everyone, even to me, after I indirectly came out to him. But most of all he doesn't do those things because of a damnation afterwards, but because he really wants to do that.
And also another person, which is and will always be my Magister. I cannot help but believe in him, because despite everything, despite his past, he's such an honorable, and incredible person.
What I believe in is represented by The Doctor. I don't want to be blasphemous or anything, but a man who is prepared to give everything for what he believes in is my hero.
I really believe more in the idea rather than in a single unit. Therefore I don't believe in a future after death. I'm pretty scientific on that path. I'm more philosophycal rather than religious.
Mr. Todd: "What's the sound of the world out there?"
Mrs. Lovett: "What Mr. Todd, what Mr. Todd, what is that sound?"
Mr. Todd: "Those chrunching noises pervading the air!"
Mrs. Lovett: "Yes mr. Todd, yes mr. Todd, yes all around!"
Mr. Todd: "It's man devouring man, my dear, and who are we to deny it in here?
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Post: #631048 , Tue 27 Mar 12, 7:43PM |
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If I had the opportunity for a definitive answer on what would happen when I died, I would choose not to hear it, because I wouldn't want it to influence how I lived out my time in this life.
La clarté étrange de ton sourire illumine mon été.
I wish I were a glow worm, a glow worm's never glum. 'Cause how can you be grumpy when the sun shines out your bum?
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Post: #631053 , Tue 27 Mar 12, 7:46PM |
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:: Dood
:: QA6 Livin' it up! | |
@Steven
Dang, that's a really tough question! Um... I guess I'd want to know but wouldn't, lol, I dunno. I'd be really nervous to find out but at the same time I'd be really excited so it's really hard to say... I guess, yes I would want to know because a majority of the beliefs as to what would happen after you die are primarily good beliefs and so I suppose it would be less likely for the actual outcome after death to be bad, though that's just the way I see it.
Going back to different beliefs of after death though I just thought of a new one. What if, like, after we die we go to what our mind perceives as the "after-life", basically what I'm trying to say is if we believed in "Heaven and/or Hell" and believed we belonged in a specific one our mind would then take us to what we believed was "Heaven" or what we believed was "Hell", same could be said for other beliefs as well like if we believed in being reborn then our mind, after we die, would make us believe that we were reborn into whatever we believed we'd be reborn into. I dunno if any of that makes sense but it's just a random thought I had. I also had a thought that maybe this is all a dream and that when we die we are actually waking up from said dream. But then that possibility raises the question of "How could we possibly dream inside of a dream?" which I honestly have no clue. So yea, basically there are just way too many possibilities to ever truly know. When it, death, happens it'll happen and only then will we know the answer. So yea... Lol xD
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Post: #631057 , Tue 27 Mar 12, 7:53PM |
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@Alice I really love that response! x) I see exactly what you mean and I'm glad you raised that point. We shouldn't be nice to people, go out of our way to make sure someone is ok just for the sake of going to Heaven or etc. That was a really nice comment!
@Katie I agree with you actually. I think if people knew what was going to happen in the future it would change the way we live forever!
@Logan hahaha no the majority of it made sense I find your point about it all being just a dream quite intriguing. Me and my friends at school talk about that frequently and how strange it would be to suddenly wake up one day and find ourselves a child again, an adult or an entirely different person, living an entirely different life. Have you ever heard of the game 'The Sims'. Wouldn't it be the weirdest thing if that was us!? Would it be God controlling us? Someone else? Or are we literally one big game?
It's a really tough topic to all 'agree' on and come to a conclusion about. It just branches off into so many different aspects of life it's unreal!
Only time will tell I guess xD
The First, Last and Only thing I will ever say...Never give up hope, Always believe and Hold onto your dreams...♥
The Never-Ending Maze of Surprises...
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Post: #631059 , Tue 27 Mar 12, 8:04PM |
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:: al96
:: QA8 High Householder | |
"I believe in the religion of Islam. I believe in Allah and peace." - Muhammad Ali
So, yes, I do believe in God, in Heaven and Hell.
As for the reason I do, I have another (part of a)quote:
"I wonder at the man who doubts the existence of God although he sees His creations. I wonder at him who has forgotten death although he sees people dying. I wonder at him who denies the second life although he has seen the first life..." - Imam Ali (as)
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I have a point about Heaven and Hell. In Islam, we believe that each person is judged according to his/her own circumstances, and in various degrees. Let's say a person did a bad thing absoloutely with no intention of doing so, he/she shall be forgiven.
Likewise, a naive person who does a bad thing is more likely to be forgiven than a Sheik who does the same thing.
A person who tells a lie, let's say, to protect his/her life shall be forgiven, unlike the person who tells a lie for a selfish reason...
And so on...
Yes, some people do need punishment. It isn't wrong, they would've chosen it for themselves. It'd be their actions that lead them to it. Just go with the Hitler example.
But God is not just fair, He is forgiving. While some people actually do spend eternity in Hell (I'm not sure if there are some who deserve that), others, who don't deserve it that much, would go to Heaven after the duration of their punishment is over (but trust me, one fraction of a second in Hell isn't worth all the "fun" on Earth)
My beliefs, mostly, come from my religion, as you can see.
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Post: #631060 , Tue 27 Mar 12, 8:04PM |
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It's nice to hear that because all I really hear is when someone has done a bad thing that they are "instantly going to go to hell".
Same with a person who is gay. Because of that, it is a sin and it consequently means we're going to hell. I think that is slightly unfair because we haven't actually done anything to harm anyone else?
I really respect that belief...thank you for sharing (:
The First, Last and Only thing I will ever say...Never give up hope, Always believe and Hold onto your dreams...♥
The Never-Ending Maze of Surprises...
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Post: #631061 , Tue 27 Mar 12, 8:10PM |
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:: al96
:: QA8 High Householder | |
No problem.
I'm actually irritated whenever people (Athiests in an arguement) say stuff like "So people will go to Hell for doing this..?"
It's not a small math equation. People get jugded according to thier whole lives, not one single action.
As for homosexuality: Since you can't change it, being so isn't wrong. But having gay sex is. It is a bummer for some people, I know. But not being able to have sex seems so trivial when some people aren't able to see or hear, and some aren't able to walk...
But remember, the one who struggles to keep his/her faith and stay away from sins is rewarded more than others. (Circumstances aren't only regarded when speaking of punishment. They are also regarded in rewarding).
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Post: #631065 , Tue 27 Mar 12, 8:23PM |
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No, I do not believe in heaven or hell. The concept of the afterlife is nothing more than wishful thinking on the part of people who don't want life to end with death, they want there to be something more after. Now of course I can't prove there's no afterlife, there may very well be. I just live my life as if there isn't, therefore, I live life to the fullest and not in the expectation of some greater reward afterward.
Hell especially I do not believe in. The concept of it is problematic in that a person can be punished eternally for something one on earth. Punished infinitely for a finite infraction and a finite life. Additionally, hell becomes problematic when hell is the only motive for acting righteously. You do something because you're afraid of going to hell. You do it out of fear. Fear shouldn't be the motive. Fear doesn't need to be the motive, because I don't believe in hell in the first place.
Some people seem to think that not believing in an afterlife means that I'm "sad". What happens after death is a mystery that no one knows. There could be an afterlife. But since I don't count on there being one, what I do now on earth is most important and I'm going to do all I can and pursue and experience as much as possible. So I'm anything but "sad" and life without belief in an afterlife can be liberating.
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Edit: Merovingian, Tue 27 Mar 12, 8:47PM
Post: #631068 , Tue 27 Mar 12, 8:40PM |
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Hhhmmm..I don't really say things like that. I'm more interested in why that may be the case...if you see what I mean? So instead of saying well, if I did that would I go to hell, if I did that would I go to hell, I would say 'Ok, so why would that mean I would have to go to hell?'
I hope you see the difference!
When put into perspective, it really does make sense really. Like I've said before, sex is something which really means nothing to me in relation to my life's priorities. I've always said if I never had sex again I really wouldn't care. I'm not trying to sound like I'm all amazing and perfect...I'm not, that's just what I've felt for a very long time. I don't think that gay sex is wrong however and should be the reason for someone to have sinned, I think that anyone should be with anyone and do what they like but I do see why you're saying what you are and I fully respect what you believe
The First, Last and Only thing I will ever say...Never give up hope, Always believe and Hold onto your dreams...♥
The Never-Ending Maze of Surprises...
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Post: #631069 , Tue 27 Mar 12, 8:41PM |
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