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Topic: "I think being gay is wrong."
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Do you think people should be allowed to say this? I always hear stories of kids saying something like this in school and getting in trouble. Personally, I think it's okay to say that you think being gay is wrong, even though I don't agree with that point of view, as long as you phrase it the right way. ("I think it's wrong to be gay" instead of "Being gay is wrong") I feel like if you say it that way, you're just stating what you believe and personally, I don't find it terribly offensive if someone says that. I know it can still be hurtful if someone says that to you, believe me, I've had people tell me that hundreds of times, but I don't really find someone saying they believe it's wrong to be gay, hateful. What does everyone else think?
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Post: #608984  , Wed 25 Jan 12, 1:49AM |
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:: byoung4evr
:: QA4 A spot of tea please, Alfred! | |
WEll. I don't really think that the people who say this mean that BEING gay is wrong, but rather that they mean that they don't really agree with gay issues (aka marriage, having sex, etc.). I think that there is sometimes this perception of gay people as being over-sexed or something, and that is probably where this stems from. So... ya... it's not really the fact that your gay that bothers them, it's more the actions that they perceive to be 'gay'.
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Post: #608989 , Wed 25 Jan 12, 1:52AM |
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"I may not agree with you have to say, but I'll defend to the death your right to say it." -Voltaire
Even though it's ignorant and mean, it's their constitutional right to say it. However, as with any prejudice remark, think that it was right for them to be addressed by a teacher regarding what they said.
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Edit: Skybound, Wed 25 Jan 12, 2:04AM
Post: #609008 , Wed 25 Jan 12, 2:03AM |
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@Eric: Best. Quote. Ever. 
I think it's alright to say it because they're stating their opinions, and if they phrase it that way and aren't like, "Ooh, man, queers are so freaking disgusting!" and all that, they're just saying it like, "I think it's wrong." and while we may not understand it, I definitely respect it.
The world breaks everyone and afterward many are strong in the broken places. But those that will not break it kills. It kills the very good and the very gentle and the very brave impartially. If you are none of these you can be sure it will kill you too but there will be no special hurry. -Ernest Hemingway
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Post: #609014 , Wed 25 Jan 12, 2:07AM |
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:: fare
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People should be able to say and think whatever they want. Freedom of speech, woo! What my problem is in the manner in which people deliver their opinions. If one were to properly state their opinion through civil terms such as "I find homosexuality/ being gay wrong" that's fine, but if someone were to use derogatory terms such as "fags", "homos"...you know, then it should be punished because that's a hate crime.
"You think the dead we loved ever truly leave us? You think we don’t recall them more clearly than ever in times of great trouble?" -Albus Dumbledore
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Post: #609015 , Wed 25 Jan 12, 2:07AM |
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@Britevelyn Ikr? XD
and yeah, I agree with you guys about the delivery. If it's done in a polite, respectful manner, then it is fine; but if it's done scornfully then I believe it should be discouraged because it's hurtful to others.
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Post: #609019 , Wed 25 Jan 12, 2:11AM |
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"The right to swing my fist ends where the other man's nose begins." -Oliver Wendell Holmes
Do those same people who have the right to say that being gay is wrong also have the right to say that being black isn't okay? Or perhaps Jewish?
I'd like to point your attentions toward a Tennessee bill that would legalize bullying if it were based upon someone's religious or philosophical belief.
As someone in the comments put it, this is frightening! In a time when we are losing so many young lives, this is reminiscent of Nazi Germany when people looked the other way because it didn't affect them, or so they thought. We all know how that turned out.
"I am reminded of a colleague who reiterated 'all my homosexual patients are quite sick'—to which I finally replied 'so are all my heterosexual patients'." -Ernest van den Haag, psychotherapist
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Edit: winnersmw, Wed 25 Jan 12, 2:18AM
Post: #609022 , Wed 25 Jan 12, 2:17AM |
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Shawn has a point, but if it's done respectfully I don't think that would be considered bullying. Not allowing people to express their opinion doesn't change their opinion, it causes it to fester.
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Post: #609027 , Wed 25 Jan 12, 2:22AM |
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It's not that it would be considered bullying per se, but it is creating an atmosphere of alienation and second-class citizenry.
What's being said sounds innocent enough when you include the word "civil", but in actual conversation you'd start getting some funny looks if you were to say that you think being Muslim is wrong, or that being black is wrong. Why is it, then, that you can say that being gay is wrong, and that's perfectly okay.
If you believe that it is okay for people to think that being gay is wrong, take note of why you feel that it's okay. Now, apply that same reasoning to someone who says being Jewish is wrong, or anything similar.
"I am reminded of a colleague who reiterated 'all my homosexual patients are quite sick'—to which I finally replied 'so are all my heterosexual patients'." -Ernest van den Haag, psychotherapist
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Edit: winnersmw, Wed 25 Jan 12, 2:32AM
Post: #609044 , Wed 25 Jan 12, 2:30AM |
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We are all LGBT here, so we all hate homophobia just as much as the next person, but I guess you are right. However, from an LGBT point of view, saying homosexuality is wrong hurts me just as much as saying judaism is wrong to a jew, being black is wrong to an african american, and so on. The rest of society doesn't feel that way though, so we don't get the support from 'outsiders', if you will; whereas if you said that about being jewish or black, everyone would get upset.
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Edit: Skybound, Wed 25 Jan 12, 3:03AM
Post: #609088 , Wed 25 Jan 12, 2:52AM |
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People have different opinions. Even if we do not agree with them, I think we should respect them. I respect anyone's opinion. See, people can say anything they want around me, it just doesn't bother me. People have their opinions. Let them. Besides, if they say that being gay is wrong, you can just know who to avoid 
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Post: #609115 , Wed 25 Jan 12, 3:04AM |
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Okay, so I'm going to say YES it should be allowed. I hate censorship. If someone says they think being gay is wrong, maybe they just need more education. Instead of hating these people, and asking whether or not they should be allowed to state their perfectly personal opinions, be willing to have a conversation with them. If they don't want to elaborate, or they don't seem willing to listen, let it go. I think it's more insulting to consider silencing somebody's opinion than it is to hear the opinion itself.
"Look at all of the little lesbians
frolicking in the snow!" ~Koda
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Post: #609160 , Wed 25 Jan 12, 3:27AM |
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This isn't France.
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Post: #609279 , Wed 25 Jan 12, 5:16AM |
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Actually, I do belive people should be allowed to say it :/ Here's why:
We as a community belive that we're equal - Yes we are. But then we can't ban the beliefs of others. It's when parents are trying to force their kids straight, throw them out of their houses and gays get beaten about for being gay that's wrong.
Simply saying "I THINK being gay is wrong." is just like us saying "I THINK being gay is ok." -- It's what these people belive and us trying to force them to our way of thinking is like them trying to force us around theirs (Which they do. And we hate it) but it's BECAUSE we hate it that we should just allow them to say it, ignore it and not send them the same message. Deep down those people are probably very good. It's just the bible has gotten them to hate gay people.
I'm a Loiner, apparently...
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Post: #609327 , Wed 25 Jan 12, 8:01AM |
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God dang it, it even I say it :'3
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Post: #609330 , Wed 25 Jan 12, 8:48AM |
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I'm in agreement with Adam. It's the exact same as people of the LGBT community to argue back saying the being gay is fine and good.
We can't stop people having opinions. We can only hope that they one day become better educated in understanding the differences in people's lives and can one day accept those differences. Sure, it's hurtful when people tell us that it's not okay to be who we are. The one time I do have a problem with people verbally stating that opinion is when they do it violently and full of hatred.
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Post: #609344 , Wed 25 Jan 12, 1:16PM |
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I think that people should be alowed to say it because everybody has a different oppinion. Even if i dont agree with it
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Post: #609349 , Wed 25 Jan 12, 2:39PM |
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:: Cinnamon
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What Eric (and Voltaire) said.
I may be in complete disagreement with somebody who says it, but if it's what they think, then that's what they think. And to be serious, whether they have the right to say it or not won't change whether they think it. At the very least I'd like to know who thinks things like that.
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Post: #609359 , Wed 25 Jan 12, 3:25PM |
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I think pepole should be aloud to say it. It's there opinion, and we have free speech and all that so, they should be about to say it
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Post: #609367 , Wed 25 Jan 12, 3:50PM |
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:: mickeneo
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@Eric you are a smart lad
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Post: #609372 , Wed 25 Jan 12, 4:05PM |
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