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i dnt thinkt he LGBT community feels they want special rights. that is NOT how i feel for sure. that is exactly what we want to be treated equal. there is nothing about it that is special in my opinon.
its not like we're trying to stop the whole world from saying thats so gay or faggot and things to us. that'll never happen. but we're atleast trying to make it so kids arent doing it every single day to the point where it becomes a huge struggle and getting beaten up all the time and no one's doing anytihng about it or saying anything b/c their so damn afraid of standing up for anyone LGBT b/c then they get harrased like their gay. or they just believe we deserve it b/c we're perverted freaks or some type of abomination.
you may not get offended by the jokes but some people do. it may not seem like much but after getting called faggot or something all day and then getting beat up and possibly having to go home to a closet it can get pretty overwhelming. yeah itd be great if everyone could just ignoor it and stuff but when your LGBT and you feel like the world, (seemingly 50% of it) thinks your "life style" is wrong and disgusing and you'll go to hell and then they go and laugh at you? like we're just some big joke thats damned?
people used to use the N word all the time and put down the black community the same way and they used to not be protected from it, but now they are. b/c they protested and didnt take the bullshit from white people making up things about them. they may not have parades of men dressed up in dresses nd stuff but that dosent mean the LGBT community thinks they're special or soemthing. its just the way we are. they're celebrating theyre not trying to do anythign else. yeah it is different in some ways but when it comes down to it its all the same shit.
straight people dont have to go to school all the time and get called degorotory names. they dont have to see debates on tv as to why they're not aloud to marry the person they love. they dont get told all the time that they'll go to hell b/c they are straight. they get judge fairly, but gay people often get judge much harder. is wanting these things to dim down (of corse never completely) wanting special treatment?
i havnt heard any LGBT person say they want to be treated special or have something that other people do not. thats not our goal. our goal is equality. but even deeper then that our goal is not to be treated like crap and feel horrible all the time. the bullying towrds gay people can get alot harder then other things. every. single. day. i hear faggot being said in my face and thats so gay about everything they're to damn lazy to do. yes there are people who are bullied for other reasons and yes we need to help those people to. but we already have rules and laws and protection for those people (not that it needs to be reinforced harder, but atleast people actualy will come to help those people w/o feeling akward b/c oh no its a gay person). and getting bullied for being gay or precieved to be gay is a HUGE thing. it happens all the time and sometimes harshly and still we dont have rules in some places for that or laws.
its not just like people are picking on us cuz we're all nerdy or something or dont fit in. half of the time they think its totally okay b/c well we're LGBT. and they learn from their parents who hate LGBT people and think we'll all go to hell or a bunch of freakish people. we do not get treated the same as the kid with glasses. and theres disabled people who prob get a whole lot of shit like LGBT people, and they need some encouraging videos themselves nd im sure no person of LGBT would say different unless they're jerks themselves. but then it comes back to that LGBT are not protected under rules nd disabled people are.
and about wanting to be queens and kings...its not like they wnna be treated like queens and kings. thats just who they are and they're having fun. it has nothing to do with how they want to be treated. and the world looks down on them b/c they think its scary and freaky and annoying. yeah well there's nothing worng with it. it dose not hurt anybody and it makes them happy. whats the huge deal? and not every LGBT person obvuously wants that.
im so tired of just sitting here in my house and other LGBT people sitting around just being who they are wanting the right to marry and trying to fight homophobia and try to stop the suicides and things and suddenly being accused of wanting SPECIAL rights? i dnt want special rights. thats NOT what we're trying to do. the LGBT commmunity wants equality not special rights. and maybe idk i shouldnt say it like the entire community thinks that, but for the most part i think so. we're not trying to become upper class citizens.
but i guess at the same time i agree with you that no the LGBT dosnt deserve better then other communities. but we do deserve better then what we have now, epsically in other places where it can be really bad. but we dont deserve anything more then equality and what straight people have. to be able to walk around holding our partners hand w/o worrying about getting jumped or something and even if we do for someone to give a damn and portect our rights and give us justice. b/c sometiems that dosent happen.
and i think thats the point of what im trying to say. we don't want more protection. we want the same protection they give other people. they give those people protection b/c they know its wrong. but some people seem to think its not wrong the things that harm us. but it is wrong. it dosnt mean anyone has to accept us, it means we should be protected like anyone else with the same amount of respect from violence and other rediculous things.
in alot of schools it says they'll protect kids from bully b/c of religon, race, ect. but alot of the times it dose not protect kids of LGBT.
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Post: #523002  , Tue 28 Jun 11, 6:40PM |
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very good point i dont want to be special i want to be normal i hope every one is equal and thats what i want i dont really want to stand out
it will be alright in the end, and if it's not alright, it's not the end yet.
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Post: #523008 , Tue 28 Jun 11, 6:54PM |
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:: Jaden
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Megan, straight people get called derogatory names every day. They're also told, in religious situations, they're going to hell for millions of other reasons.
And while you, yourself, don't wanna be treated like a queen because of your sexuality there are people who damn well act like they do. I don't mean being flamboyant, I mean acting like bloody royalty. Not drag queen and kings. Not "Just having fun". No. People who put themselves on a pedestal and expect everyone else to go with it because they're gay.
I like how you talk to me like I'm some gay hating straight man.
You think you have it hard? I'm trans. I'm trans and I'm in a gay relationship. Think I've never been beat up? Had all those "horrible" names said to me? Oh no. Been there. Yeah, I come home to a closet and on top of that so does my boyfriend. He works in one too. Don't think I don't get it. I didn't go to school when lgbt kids probably weren't protected. I went while we still weren't at all.
But I've also read more posts lately saying that "we deserve more" in terms of how gay people show up in shows, ads, companies supporting gay rights in louder ways because it's never enough.
Yeah shoot for the stars and all that, sure why not.
But look around? Take a good look. There is a large number of people who think we deserve to damn near be treated like royalty.
So yeah. Equality is what everyone deserves, no one more then anyone else.
And we're working towards it. So now? Now is not the time for people to be bitching that its not enough. Its on the right track. It should be being encouraged.
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Post: #523047 , Tue 28 Jun 11, 9:05PM |
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I think I made this same point in a forum thread that I started explaining why I don't mind being called a fag by homophobes.
I don't want special treatment, either. I want equal treatment by everyone else. Just because I'm gay doesn't mean that I'm now automatically entitled to being treated specially.
In some ways, though, and I think Jaden may have been alluding to this in his comment ^^^, the LGBT community may be starting to take on this sense of entitlement because acceptance is becoming more and more widespread and more and more people are becoming tolerant of the LGBT community, and this sense of entitlement is something that any community that's been discriminated against in history is prone to, not just the LGBT community.
"Two roads diverged in a wood, and I --
I took the one less traveled by,
And that has made all the difference"
--Robert Frost, "The Road Not Taken"
"All art is quite useless"
--Oscar Wilde
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Post: #523050 , Tue 28 Jun 11, 9:21PM |
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I don't really know about anyone else but equal rights under the law are all I am looking for. People can say what they want to me but if they aren't actually harassing me they won't be punished. I do believe that we are a group that hate crimes are committed against but not every thing that happens to an LGBT person will be a hate crime. I want to be able to have my life and my future partner's life be safe and equal to that of any other couple. Other than that I don't know what else we need. I do think that kids should learn about us just like they learn about every culture in school. To promote tolerance.
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Post: #523054 , Tue 28 Jun 11, 9:37PM |
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I really don't think there's many people in the gay community who think they're better than straight people - what you're talking about is trying to ACHIEVE equality. If you look at a straight person, they don't need to parade on the streets, they don't need to protest, they don't need to get special help, because they have those rights already. We don't - and if we want them, then yes, we have to take some action to get them.
Let's look at bullying, that you talked about. You talked about how everyone deals with it, us the same as anyone else.
Let's look at the statistics. In many Western states, gay teenagers make up more than 1/3 of youth suicides - that makes them more than 3x overrepresented as opposed to their straight counterparts. They're more likely to suffer depression and self-harm. The reality is, this ISN'T something everyone goes through, and it's not a problem that gets solved by pretending that there isn't a problem. Because actually, yes, gay people are different, even if only in the fact that they get treated differently.
So actually, yeah, the gay community does deserve better. If we took the approach of just sitting back and taking whatever people gave us, then we'd still live in a patriarchal society defined by apartheid and intolerance. If we want to exact change, then yes, we have to stand up for our rights. We need to actively fight homophobia. We need to demand proper mental healthcare for gay teenagers. We need to put ourselves on the political agenda.
You say that other groups deal with this too, as with racists. But what you forget is the massive turmoil that black and indigenous people the world over have gone through to make that group of racists a minority. So yes, when Martin Luther King stood up and said "I have a dream" he was being demanding. He was demanding that people throw aside their backwards notions that African-Americans were somehow inferior, and somehow different. And in doing so, he had to acknowledge that they are somewhat different, even if just in the way they were being treated, just like we are.
The gay community does deserve better. We deserve equality. But the road to equality is never travelled by sitting back and letting people do what they want. Ignoring the problem, ignoring our differences: that achieves nothing.
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Post: #523056 , Tue 28 Jun 11, 9:51PM |
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... What? I haven't seen that at all. I don't think anyone thinks they should be treated better. We're so damn far from being treated the equally that we have to fight like hell to attain basic civil rights. Thank God, in some places, yes, the gay community is finally coming close to equality, like in New York State. I think you're mistaking celebration and pride for elitism.
Yes, plenty of groups have been persecuted and discriminated against throughout history. But you have to admit that the gay community remains one of the least accepted. Even in fully developed nations, we're still second-class citizens. I get the feeling that you think the gay rights movement has progressed a LOT farther than it actually has... no hospital visitation, no joint adoptions, no joint tax returns, no protection from discrimination in the workplace. You can still be denied a job or housing because you're gay. In most places, sexual orientation is not covered under hate crime laws. (That's just the US... I know for a fact it's far worse in other countries.) Please don't mistake our situation or think that we should just be content with what we have now  There's so much more ground to cover.
PS My area isn't exactly gay-friendly so it still terrifies the crap out of me whenever someone uses gay as an insult. In my high school, if ONE PERSON thought a girl was gay, she was avoided like the plague.
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Post: #523085 , Wed 29 Jun 11, 12:09AM |
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i know youve prob had it hard, and i know your trans and i know that is really hard. i never meant to say like u didnt. no i wasnt trying to talk to you like a straight guy i was talking like a person. im sorry i come off like that i just dnt agree. i dnt think most LGBT people want to be treated special.
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Post: #523474 , Wed 29 Jun 11, 6:47PM |
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:: Jaden
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Tom while you have points that don't all actually match up with what I said.
I never said the gay community should stop trying for equal rights and ect. I said there are people within the community, so they are hence representing us, that act like we deserve more then any other group.
All I'm saying is it's annoying the bloody piss out of me. We don't deserve more then anyone else. We're just people. We deserve the /same/. I never said that we shouldn't work for equality.
I said we shouldn't expect to be more then equal because we're gay.
Kim, I have no notion that the gay community has come huge and huge ways. Thanks for the assumption but again, not at all what I said. And I have no notion that the trans community is even mildly equal to the gay community if you wanna talk about second class citizens.
I didn't say we should be content with not being equal. I didn't say we shouldn't work for it.
I said we shouldn't expect to be treated better then equal. Because we are all people.
Celebration is not what I'm talking about. I'm more then okay with that. I'm talking about the people who constantly say "We deserve more" in the form of things that really don't matter. We deserve the same rights, yes. We should work for them.
The people that say we should get better ones? And yes I've seen this. They're wrong. That's crap. And thats what I've been saying. We're the same, we deserve the same. It's pretty basic.
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Post: #523774 , Thu 30 Jun 11, 5:20PM |
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I don't think anyone calls the cops because someone calls them "gay". Let's cut the crap here and get real. Do you have any more real examples of people thinking we deserve to be treated like kings and queens?
Believe me, there are plenty of religions out there that I'd consider a waste of time trying to win their respect especially since I would think their respect is worth nothing, since I fucking hate some of the world's religions. But I guess that's the only example I have to comment on. You talk so much about people wanting "better rights" yet you provide very few examples. Care to provide some more? If you want to make a valid argument, you can't just keep using "some people think we're gods" over and over. What are some concrete examples you have that represent that that I can respond to?
The only "right" I can think of that we don't have, at least in the United States, is the right to marry. And believe it or not, many anti-gay-marriage people consider gay people asking for the right to marry to be asking for "special treatment" because in their minds it's just assumed that marriage is between a man and a woman and anything beyond is some kind of "special" circumstance.
Asking people to not use "gay" as an insult is not an issue of "rights". It's no one asking for rights, it's people asking for sensitivity. It's actually a matter of political correctness; I think every group has their issues with political correctness. No one wants to me say "don't Jew me out of this money, now" to my friend or "wow, my car's really niggered out thanks to that upgrade". I'm not asking for people to pass a law saying I cant' say those things; no one is going to restrict freedom of speech, but to be sensitive to certain groups of people, it might be better to refrain from making comments like that. Same goes for using "gay" as an insult. How is asking that people refrain from using these terms implying that we're special?
I'm a hot little potato right now.
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Edit: HonestToBlog, Fri 1 Jul 11, 5:39AM
Post: #523947 , Fri 1 Jul 11, 5:34AM |
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:: L1NK
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Hail adventurers,
I will preface this comment with the knowledge that I live in Canada, gay marriage is legal, they *we, I suppose*'re fully integrated and the society can kick back. That being said, they're are families who hate gays. This is their right. I will not say that it is a childish cruel thing to do, mocking the gay community but it is something that we must deal with, not something we should try and change. In time we will be fully integrated but coming from Canada, the land of "acceptance" it is not a good thing to pass laws and push the gay community forward so quickly. All it does is brews more hate. Well maybe not all it does but it causes the bigoted to want to fight even more.
That being said, I know it was mentioned that the N word was used a lot but now it's not "ok" to use the term. Yeah the N word is in the clear but people are still racist. Even I make racist jokes. Despite my better attempts I still associate different races with different things *not like their worth of life but moreso their personalities*. What I'm saying is, getting rid of the term doesn't get rid of the problem.
I'm going to now go into something I have expertise on: schooling. At school kids are gonna be bullied for tons of shit but it's something to deal with. I have health problems: I'm pushed down the stairs, I'm effeminate: I'm mocked and sacked, I'm tall, I'm...again mocked but you get the idea. Being mocked for something is something that you have to deal with. It's a choice we don't neccessarily make but choose to brandish. I mention this because it is something that lots of people have to deal with. Being the guy who at our school officially has it the worst *I have near death experiences weekly (this week I passed oot n almost fell down an elevator shaft, last week I had a heart attack; stay tund for next week kids and find oot what happens next on "House") I have tons of social issues (as is common so I will not bore you with them), I am disabled (in tons of ways) and I am freakishly tall/gangly (again there's other stuff but let's focus on the biggies)* I believe I have the right to say to everyone who has it better than me: suck it up, it's somethign to deal with so don't let it traumatize you.
I know this is mostly focused on being considered normal instead of outcasted but it is important to make it clear that tons of groups have these same problems, not just gays. If you are a texan or another gay-restricted citizen then your viewpoint is still a-ok
Now I have restated the same point many times so I shall come to a close. As long as you have rights *like in Canada, I stress this again* then people have their right to hate us, I will not take that away from them.
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Post: #523968 , Fri 1 Jul 11, 7:59AM |
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I agree with you. In fact, I didn't believe in repealing Don't Ask Don't Tell, because it shouldn't have even been in the court system. You should be allowed to be openly gay in the military and not have to worry about it at all. I feel like Don't Ask Don't Tell was only a step to putting America as a whole back in the closet.
I agree that there are some people that would like to say they are asking for equality, but they are going about it all wrong.
For example, last night I was on Tumblr, and I saw this don't hate on gay people video, I liked their message but it was full of hate itself.
There were F-bombs being thrown everywhere. And honestly, as a person who is in the LGBTQ community for life, I was offended. I was offended because they thought it was alright to spread the message of 'equality' but being horrible, threatening, and being provakative.
I agree with you. I also don't believe that gay people should fight for the label 'marriage'. I believe it should be the rights and that is all. Legally if you are seen as a married couple, who cares what it's called?
The LGBTQ community likes to say that labels aren't everything, but here we are fighting tooth and nail for what? That's right, a label.
As long as I can marry the love of my life, have the same rights as a heterosexual couple, have children, know that everything will be taken care of if I die, and I can live my life happily, we can call it a hate union for all I care.
I agree with you completely, the LGBTQ community needs to come off it's high horse it put itself on and start spreading the love in a way that shows everyone that we are NO different.
" A weed is a plant whose virtues have not yet been discovered "
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Post: #524110 , Fri 1 Jul 11, 9:20PM |
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Exactly, labels aren't "everything". But they aren't unimportant. The label of "marriage" is very important in society because it carries more weight and importance than the label of "civilly unified" and there is no reason why the label should be restricted to people of a certain gender.
And the funny thing is, though: we are different. Yes, we are "all human", I get that brotherhood idea, but we are not exactly the same as straight people. We have a different sexual orientation and other people recognize that and do things with that, and sometimes what they do with it is discriminate. The way to solve a problem is not to pretend it doesn't exist. We can't pretend our sexual orientation isn't a difference if other people recognize that difference and use it against us.
The thing that needs to happen, in my personal opinion, is to be able to recognize these differences and embrace them and not let them get in the way of a person's humanity.
I'm a hot little potato right now.
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Edit: HonestToBlog, Fri 1 Jul 11, 9:26PM
Post: #524113 , Fri 1 Jul 11, 9:22PM |
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:: Jaden
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Go away for a few days and this is still being commented on? I'm shocked. lmfao.
I kinda feel like what I have to say is just being proven and I'm really amused by it. But I'm sure thats gonna be listed as a horrible thing to say so I'll just move on.
I have, actually, heard someone threaten to call the cops over being called gay. I'm not sure if it did happen because I chose to gtfo and away from the situation before it came to a fight or the cops got involved but I've seen it. So yeah, that does actually happen.
And yeah, I chose and still choose not to name names of site members and link to quotes to prove a point. That just sounds like a really good way to start a flame war and get banned. And frankly that would take away far too much of my daily amusement.
So if you want to discredit my arguments and the things I've seen because I'm opting not to do so, I really don't care. Its good. I'll just be amused.
The examples go to "Fairness in media" when someone bitches about the gay stereotype in an ad but the black/asian/ect one in the same ad is not only okay its funny.
Or "such and such company owes us more respect". No. Its a company, so long as it's not telling people the gay community should be shipped into the ocean and burnt out (or other fitting example of a less extreme nature) then it really doesn't matter, in general they don't really owe any community, ours or otherwise, a damned thing.
In the use of slurs I have a different mind set then most people but the "N word" as PCness says I should call it, if looked up (I don't mean google, try your paper back dictionary) doesn't just apply to someone of one skin color but actually involves calling someone ignorant.
So fagget, a bundle of sticks, is pretty insulting since you're damned well calling someone useless.
And Gay. Why yes, we should all be hurt everytime someone accuses someone/something of being happy.
Yes I know thats not at all what the words have evolved into these days but I figure if the world is gonna go around insulting one another we could use some more insulting words. That's just a person issue of mine with society as a whole though and doesn't apply to this conversation as such. Which I think I kinda forewarned to in my original blog post only with less effort then this because really... I say no actual need to do so.
But this all comes down to another one of my personal views. If you don't like what I have to say about a subject, don't talk to me about it.
Now onto an actual post! Whee.
The world is obsessed with labels, and we all need to face that. But the label of marriage as an official title as far as how the government wants to title it isn't important. It could become an issue if people, outside the legal system where the title matters, throw a fit over the use of "marriage". Again, look it up, see what we get the word to mean...
Yes, religious people will have an issue. They have an issue with almost everything so I can ignore that one (and I'm religious! Hey! lmfao).
But really, again wording is all BS. If the rights are the same who cares if our title is different? So legally its not a marriage its a union. Are the ends the same? If yes, then why care? If no, then it's not equal, its not right.
Its like a gay black kid getting beaten up for being gay and black. No. Bad. Wrong.
Because he's a dick and hit someone else first for no reason? Have a good few swings at him!
But in that case the punishments should be fair and equal. Not lighter on the black gay kid because he can pull the sexuality and race card even though he did wrong. We're all human, its all the same.
And sexuality, while it may be different... If thats the biggest difference we've got on the "brotherhood of humans" scale... Who gives a fuck? I'm sorry but the world as a whole needs to stop back and look at this crap. Cause thats what it is. Crap.
I know enough guys who have said if it wasn't for the fact that they really don't like the idea of gay sex they would be gay and mean it. It's easier sometimes. lol.
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Edit: Jaden, Fri 1 Jul 11, 9:42PM
Post: #524115 , Fri 1 Jul 11, 9:31PM |
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Look, you posted this on a public forum, which means anyone can comment on it. This is a controversial topic that you posted in an inflmmatory tone. If you wanted everyone to just read it and suck in your opinion, then you should've disabled the comments, but since you allowed people to respond, I figured you wanted to actual hear what people had to say about it. But now it seems more like all you want is for people to agree with you and you're going to get peeved at anyone who disagrees with you or challenges your opinion. A good opinion is one that can withstand challenges and answer to them, not get annoyed and back down when challenged.
I'm glad you provided more examples, but again, the example of someone calling the cops because they were called gay is an extreme example and I doubt it is indicative of most of the people in the gay community who are asking for equal rights and that's why I believe it isn't really relevant to the topic. A more relevant example would be the one you provided about the person demanding more respect from the company. I don't think that the company "owes" anyone anything but I don't think it's pointless to try and fight for more respect. If you're being insulted or otherwise troubled by your coworkers or employers due to sexual orientation, I don't see we shouldn't speak out against it and try to fix things. You have nothing to lose.
And you never indicated in your original post that your examples were mainly from people on this site. Obviously I'm not going to want you to rat out people; I thought you were talking about examples from your IRL non-internet experiences, but either way, I'll take your word for it.
I agree that it's hypocritical to only care about offensive comments toward homosexuals and not care about offensive comments when they are against other groups of people. That's sad and people should be fighting against all forms of discrimination and hatred rather than focusing on one and ignoring all the others.
I'm a hot little potato right now.
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Edit: HonestToBlog, Fri 1 Jul 11, 9:42PM
Post: #524117 , Fri 1 Jul 11, 9:35PM |
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:: Jaden
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Spencer, you took the tone wrong. In both posts. Also there was a "real post" less rant that got edited in that you missed.
Yes there are some examples there from my life and yes, the one is extreme but it was used for a reason. There are people in the world who react that way.
My other examples from the interwebs come from other forums and if people are on there as well then there is more drama and ect. Flame war possible again which is why I'm also not linking and quoting those word for word.
I also never backed down or got pissed off. I got amused. And while I know for a fact I'm a raging asshole and my blunt self can come off wrong, I did make sure to state that this was kind of funny to me.
The company owing people things wasn't in regard to coworkers and working there. Sorry for the lack of information but it was more in response to say... Gap making an ad with stereotypes in it and the gay one being seen as bad, the reaction being that Gap now owes the community something to fix this.
Work is a whole other subject. That comes with equal rights and ect. You me and the next person have the right to work, make money and buy what we need in some level of peace. Screaming babies and people who just wont like you for no real reason don't count.
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Post: #524128 , Fri 1 Jul 11, 9:49PM |
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@Jaden
"Spencer, you took the tone wrong. In both posts. Also there was a "real post" less rant that got edited in that you missed."
My mistake. It came across more angry than I thought. Usually when I see a post that seems "angry", I feel free to be as blunt and as rude as possible and shouldn't expect them to care.
"Yes there are some examples there from my life and yes, the one is extreme but it was used for a reason. There are people in the world who react that way."
Those people are stupid. I agree. But to me there's an ocean of difference between calling the cops because you were called gay and contacting a school official because you're being bullied for your sexual orientation. One's an overreaction and the other is a reasonable approach (even though they're both sort of "extreme" in their own ways).
"My other examples from the interwebs come from other forums and if people are on there as well then there is more drama and ect. Flame war possible again which is why I'm also not linking and quoting those word for word."
I don't think you should. I get the idea. It was just a little vague when you kept talking about people wanting to be treated like "kings and queens" without really saying what that meant on a nitty-gritty level.
I also never backed down or got pissed off. I got amused. And while I know for a fact I'm a raging asshole and my blunt self can come off wrong, I did make sure to state that this was kind of funny to me.
Don't worry, I can be blunt too. I'm a very argumentative/opininoated person, if you couldn't tell.
"...Gap making an ad with stereotypes in it and the gay one being seen as bad, the reaction being that Gap now owes the community something to fix this."
Yes, that makes more sense. Again, I don't see it as the company owing the community anything. That's stupid. But I don't see it as a pointless to call attention to the bad stereotype. I guess it depends on how bad it was. For the most part, I am a stereotypical gay guy so all this fury about gay stereotypes doesn't quite hit me as much. As long as they are not negative or hateful steretoypes (such as "all gays have AIDS" or "all gays are pedophiles", etc.), then I probably don't care. I'd just hope that Gap would learn from that and think about it in the future ads, but it doesn't mean they have to repay the LGBT community anything.
"Screaming babies and people who just wont like you for no real reason don't count."
Right. I would only care if there was true discrimination going on.
I'm a hot little potato right now.
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Edit: thisway, Sun 3 Jul 11, 7:01PM
Post: #524182 , Fri 1 Jul 11, 11:49PM |
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Personally, I think the gay community is far from being treated equally in the world, and that's what people are trying to make better. What I (would like to be able to) expect is to be treated equally in a public, personal, and legal setting.
In the US, gays are only allowed to be married in six states out of fifty. We are denied certain benefits (based around taxes, marriage, and stuff. I'm not entirely sure which ones, but whatever.), we can be refused service or fired from our jobs in some states. I think I should be able to expect to be able to take someone I like out to a restaurant without worrying about being denied service, because that is legal in Michigan, unfortunately.
I don't want special treatment, I just want equal treatment.
"Look at all of the little lesbians
frolicking in the snow!" ~Koda
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Edit: shadowofrazia, Wed 6 Jul 11, 1:10AM
Post: #525630 , Wed 6 Jul 11, 12:48AM |
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Uh, I haven't read through all the comments, some are kinda long, but my two cents...
I agree that some people do seem to think that the world should treat them with extra respect, etc, because they're gay, to make up for bullying and homophobia. And sometimes people overreact to more minor instances of homophobia, probably because they've gone through enough bullying and being hated for their sexual orientation that even small things can trigger old wounds. It's hard not to get bitter sometimes.
I think it would make much more sense for everyone to focus on getting equal rights for LGBT people and worry about more minor forms of discrimination later. It just seems kind of pointless to me to have ads on tv telling people not to say "that's so gay" while gay marriage is still only legal in a very few states--we're fighting the wrong battles.
I know exactly who I am and who I want to be
I know exactly why I walk and talk like a machine
I'm now becoming my own self fulfilled prophecy,
Oh, oh no, oh no!
~Marina and the Diamonds
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Post: #525912 , Wed 6 Jul 11, 6:47PM |
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Dominique, The community is far from being treated equally, I never claimed otherwise. I also never said that we didn't deserve equal treatment, all I said was that we don't deserve anything more then equal.
Sara, I fully agree with you. While "On the road to equality all battles are important" and all that rot there are some that are more important then others. There is little ground to stand on to say that "gay" shouldn't be used as an insult and ect when people who are gay are still not always considered people in the first place.
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